Curse

urgoz_spear · Oct 11, 2009, 06:55 PM // 18:55

After trying to do the Deep for 3 hours and not passing the first room I suggest they be removed from the rotation. The player base is not smart enough to be able to do these missions. I may not have done them for awhile but I am pretty sure you DON'T use Rangers for the Deep.

Another thing is I know Warriors can't fit res on their bars but everyone else needs it. I wa sin a room the monk and me as warrior died and the ele just walked in circles. I wasn't even being healed half the time, and our ele had no weapon.

Remove Elite Missions from Zquest rotation or gives all players a mandatory tutorial on how to play the game.

MagmaRed · Oct 11, 2009, 07:08 PM // 19:08

Elite missions isn't the problem. Not our fault, or Anet's fault you found a PUG that sucked. And yes, Ranger can do the Deep, I have done it on mine, and been in groups that used 4 total. Of course I didn't PUG the Deep, I used a guild/alliance group for it. Just because you fail at finding competent PUGs doesn't mean they should be removed.

Benderama · Oct 11, 2009, 07:13 PM // 19:13

i'd like them to stay on there, give the elite missions some life. the busiest time i've seen them is with 3 other people than our group of 3 people (1 RL friend and guildy) our group sruvived, we looked up tactics on wiki we didnt ahve serious DP by the time we got to the necro traversal room, friend just accidentally summoned a minion instead of teleporting.
also the first room is full of hopping vampires=instant death at touch i think?

Shayne Hawke · Oct 11, 2009, 07:23 PM // 19:23

You had a bad group. Also, elite missions probably shouldn't be done in PuGs. I managed to do the Deep with a group of nine and three others, myself included, and it still took us almost two hours to beat.

Group it with your guild or alliance. If you can't get them to do it, do it with friends. If that doesn't work, get new friends, or a new guild, or just find some other way to deal with it. Having the elite missions as Z-quests is totally fine.

Puebert · Oct 11, 2009, 07:52 PM // 19:52

Seems like a personal problem. I actually enjoy the Deep ZQuest as it gives me another reason to do actually do it.

Also, I've done the deep with two rangers in my group.

raddish · Oct 11, 2009, 08:38 PM // 20:38

The deep and urgoz are really very easy. there are so many ways to do it. All you need as an inexperienced group is a perma with a couple of golden eggs. then either nukers,cryers,barrages,manly spikers.. the list goes on. You just got a lame group that werent trying to run a set build. research the areas and start a decent team and ull easily do them in 1-2 hrs

jonnieboi05 · Oct 11, 2009, 08:55 PM // 20:55

Bad pugs most likely... Rangers CAN do The Deep.

~LeNa~

Bob Slydell · Oct 11, 2009, 09:18 PM // 21:18

The Z-Quests change each day. A simple suggestion: If an elite mission shows up, walk away and come back in 24 hours.

Saph · Oct 11, 2009, 09:22 PM // 21:22

Rangers can't do The Deep??? LOL.

Fact of the matter is, any profession can do anything thing if they have the right team build and if they communicate with other members of their team. Yea you got stuck with a fail team, it happens to the best of us, you just to find a better team.

As for Elite Areas being removed from the ZB, why? Just because you couldnt do it, no one should be able to do it? Zaishen Bounty encourages people to do these areas that are other wise untouched.

jonnieboi05 · Oct 11, 2009, 09:26 PM // 21:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saph

As for Elite Areas being removed from the ZB, why? Just because you couldnt do it, no one should be able to do it? Zaishen Bounty encourages people to do these areas that are other wise untouched.

Without Zaishen Bounties for elite areas they are completely desolate and literally unable to do without people/friends wanting to do them (and even so... chances are even THEY will not want to do them simply because they simply just do not get yielded enough reward for their time invested).

~LeNa~

kazjun · Oct 12, 2009, 04:15 AM // 04:15

Just cause pugs fail is no reason to not have it as a z quest. Plenty can get it done if they communicate well and have a look at the wiki for the area.

Cuilan · Oct 12, 2009, 04:38 AM // 04:38

I don't blame the pugs themselves, but their leaders and the lack of communication. A pug can work.

Besides, guild and alliances also form groups for elite missions when they're the zaishen bounty.

Zahr Dalsk · Oct 12, 2009, 06:44 PM // 18:44

/signed

I do not understand how I am intended to complete elite missions with nothing but myself and three heroes.

Eragon Zarroc · Oct 12, 2009, 07:03 PM // 19:03

just because YOU cant do it with RANDOM PUGS doesnt mean it should be taken away from eveyone else that is actually capable at playing the game :P just dont do it and get over it :P

RaWrShiby · Oct 12, 2009, 07:15 PM // 19:15

I did 2 successful deep runs yesterday, both pugs. The key to a successful pug group is the leader... An experienced player leading the group, checking builds, and ordering rooms correctly (as in the deep) greatly increases your chances of completion. Take your time to find a group, and if you join one that you think has a slim chance of completing, find another one.

I think the zaishen quests were implicated to get more people motivated to do elite area farms, or work on titles, so taking elite missions out of the zaishen quests defeats the purpose.

MithranArkanere · Oct 12, 2009, 08:34 PM // 20:34

I did some dungeons and elite missions on ZBounty days with pugs.

You are just unlucky with pugs.